The Deaf Club, for instance, was a deaf school in San Francisco that let punk bands perform because the noise didn't bother them. Venues could be anywhere, from the local club whose owner was amenable to squatted spaces, like storefronts, abandoned factories and beer vats. Everything is up for grabs, to be torn apart and redone, preferably with car paint. The key principle of punk has always been Do-it-Yourself. Queers and punks don't want network channel acceptance, corporate sponsorship or police protection.

'Losers, freaks, and deviants started this movement, not these control freaks,' says Penny Arcade in the 2017 documentary Queercore: How to Punk a Revolution. Queercore and riot grrrl resisted oppressive homonormative tendencies found in mainstream LGBT organizing. Jones and Bruce La Bruce's zine J.D.s out of Toronto, were a critical pre-Internet means of dreaming up queer punk worlds. This was disastrous for the scene, but queer and trans punks refused to concede ground, and so created scenes of their own. There were serious cases for example, the scene in 1980s San Francisco, when white supremacist organizations came down from their strongholds in Northern California and started talking to the local skin heads. Punks have had to confront racism and fascism in the scene. There are plenty of examples of straight punks using queer sex as grossout punchlines. But these scenes struggled with homophobic, sexist and racist elements. They were created by the rabble, the hoi polloi. Punk scenes, at least in their early stages, tended to be heterogeneous places. It is about claiming a freedom from dulling and hypocritical normative pressures. It is all about bad behavior, anarchy, anti-sociality and noise. It celebrates it and rejects the society that rejects it. Punk and queer are a match made in the gutter. In Shakespeare's English, it meant a female prostitute later it also connoted young men who sold sex to older men.

A 'punk' has always meant a person up to something disreputable and socially deviant. The term 'punk,' by the way, has a long queer history predating its use in contemporary music.

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